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Theemence
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JACKS = trouble

Postby Theemence » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:47 pm

I know its an ok hand but i hate starting with JJ. they always seem to get me in trouble because an overcard comes on the flop.
Sublaid
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Postby Sublaid » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:18 pm

play jacks hard preflop and u will get most people to fold that elimitnates most chance of some1 hitting an overcard on flop
Shmarch
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sucks

Postby Shmarch » Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:33 am

too many possibilities to kill u with jacks, i cant stand lookin at em.
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Postby Tencephad » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:23 am

You definatlely should either raise or re-raise with JJ pre-flop if you intend to play it. otherwise you don't know where you sit.
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Postby Pred1984 » Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:05 am

Over the long term, JJ should be a winning hand for you.  Not as much as higher pocket pairs, but still a winner.  If it isn't, then it suggests you need to adjust your strategy / betting with this hand.  The most likely cause is the one already noted, that you're not betting enough to discourage hands like Ax, Kx and Qx so they never see the flop.
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Postby Begroway » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:17 am

As a starting hand Jacks are better than 10's but not quitw as good as Queens. A huge raise is probably the worst thing to do with Jacks. You want to eliminate the Arag players and less by making a mid size bet but you still want to be able to get away from this hand if any overcard flops.
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Postby Pashe1993 » Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:30 am

fubarcdn wrote:As a starting hand Jacks are better than 10's but not quitw as good as Queens. A huge raise is probably the worst thing to do with Jacks. You want to eliminate the Arag players and less by making a mid size bet but you still want to be able to get away from this hand if any overcard flops.


I agree fub...but early position, I hate em! Late position I'll have a better idea how to play em.
Havize
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Postby Havize » Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:45 am

Yeah. Pocket Pairs have their downside because you're stuck with 1 kind of card and the probabilities that your kind of card will come up again are a bit less.
Strans
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Re: JACKS = trouble

Postby Strans » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:22 pm

Emonster25 wrote:I know its an ok hand but i hate starting with JJ. they always seem to get me in trouble because an overcard comes on the flop.


I always play jacks hard preflop. It is one of the top 10 hands out there you can't be scared to make the correct play.
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Postby Thernand » Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:07 am

Yeah I wanna strangle Jack.. But if your short stacked and the blinds are killing you.. go all in on them and hope you only get one caller without QQ, KK and AA.. then hold your breath


In early position put a raise a few times the big blind if the flop is low.. get a little more agressive.. but if q, k a come up and your raised.. dont be afraid to ditch those jerks.. i mean jacks..


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Postby Wopmetuand » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:58 pm

People can say whatever they want about 72o, but JJ must truly be THE worst starting hand in poker. I always lose with it. And it doesn't matter if there's an A or K on the flop or not. If there isn't, someone with a low pocket pair will have flopped a set anyway. I don't think there's any hand I've lost as much with as with JJ.
Extry1994
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Trouble

Postby Extry1994 » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:24 pm

Around these parts we call Q-J "Trouble" (that is the name of the hand).  So often when you make a good hand with it, you are beaten by a straight.  But, J-J, is a good starter and will make you money (just like any pocket pair), if you play them right.  In "Limit" poker: see the flop and leave if a K, Q, or A shows, otherwise raise on the flop.  If you have to call a raise before the flop, RE-RAISE and try to cut the field to just you and the raiser.  In "No Limit", just go All-In; unless you are CALLING All-In, in that case just fold . . . that's right, FOLD!
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Postby Hertake » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:53 am

I think the best thing you can do when you have a pocket pair (jj qq kk or aa) is to raise or re-raise on the preflop. For exemple if the big blind is 50$ raise to 250 or 300$ so only a few player will see the flop.
Extry1994
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Jack-Jack

Postby Extry1994 » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:03 pm

Any hand is a GOOD hand if you play it right.  Most hands are best to fold, and it is 'good' that they don't cost you any money.  J-J is better than most . . . you really have two options; play it like a small pair, limp in and fold if it doesn't hit on the flop; or play it like a big pair, bet it hard, thin the competition and hope no one catches a bigger card against you . . . a good play either way.  I guess there is a third option, and that is to fold them J's!
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Jacks suck!!!

Postby Sawrome » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:14 pm

Yeah, I hate Jacks too.  Even going all in pre-flop I get busted all of the time.

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